i have to say, i was interested thinking about mandela and obama yesterday, i went back to obama's books to see, oh, he must have talked about the mandela example in the book. not so much. there was one mention of mandela in each book. i was sort of surprised at that given as he has said that he was a figure of -- a model to him as a young man when he learned of his struggle. >> i wonder how much because mandela was the first black president of south africa and president obama is the first black president of america, the drawing of parallel lines is somewhat inevitable. the president remarked on in the speech, he will never be the man madiba was nor does he propose that he is. i think he's been hesitant to step into the line of inheritance, if you will, maya, established. >> the context is totally different. we have to understand that. nelson mandela after being arrested in 1962, spending 26 years in prison, spending five years negotiating peace before he was released. obama elected in a highly democratic nation, even with its racial divides. there's just no comparison. it actually doesn